I think it's impressive that israel brainwashed millions of american christians that their country has any biblical relevance
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@sun I mean if youre not a supercessionist it does because its part of Gods promise to the jewish people but Israel won't be a very relevant important country until end times, and definitely in its current form it isnt worth celebrating
@georgia @sun it's God's promise to the ancient Israelites (Jewish people did not exist at the time the promise was made), who are entirely distinct from the modern UN mandate of Israel and the people who live there now.
Also, Judah died with no known heirs so I still don't know how there can be any true Jewish people.
Also, Judah died with no known heirs so I still don't know how there can be any true Jewish people.
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@Nudhul @georgia @sun Pretty much this. Ashkenazis, mizrahis and sephardis have as much right to call themselves "jews" and "Israel" as Greeks and Italians do (that is to say: none).
A common thing about dispensationalists is that they have no real idea what a jew or a "jew" is. I once met a dipensationalist guy who had some book about judaism and he was disappointed to find out that he does not understand 95% of it, "even though" he said he read the protestants' Old Testament several times over. He kept bumping into notions he never heard of, traditions that Israel never practiced. Dispensationalists do not know that judaism's main books are those of the talmud and the kabbalah; while the OT is not taken seriously.
A common thing about dispensationalists is that they have no real idea what a jew or a "jew" is. I once met a dipensationalist guy who had some book about judaism and he was disappointed to find out that he does not understand 95% of it, "even though" he said he read the protestants' Old Testament several times over. He kept bumping into notions he never heard of, traditions that Israel never practiced. Dispensationalists do not know that judaism's main books are those of the talmud and the kabbalah; while the OT is not taken seriously.
@FruitpilledPeachcel @Nudhul @sun sorry but youre objectively wrong when you say the kaballah is a main book of Judaism and the Tanakh isnt. the talmud is given a lot of priority when the Torah is interpreted, but most jews dont study it and certainly dont pray from it