I really dont give 2 shits about Iran or israel's wars. GAS IS FUCKING $5 A GALLON YOU ORANGE RETARD!!!!
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@Evil_Bender
I'm hearing $6 diesel in some places. That's very bad.
I'm hearing $6 diesel in some places. That's very bad.
incredibly, the industry can absorb it for awhile. but long term high diesel costs will put half of trucking out of business, happened in 2008 also.
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Of course that would happen the year I start CDL training.
Of course that would happen the year I start CDL training.
If you get a job with a big trucking company, sooner or later they're gonna put you in a Tesla...
doubt it, there's no infrastructure for it, and the speed the governmwnt works it will be 25 years
It doesn't matter if there's only one charging station every 50 miles, they'll give you a route that has you stopping where they are.
Charge time doesn't matter because you already have mandatory breaks, and if you pull a lot of grades, you'll actually make better time because that thing has a thousand horse power unit.
10 years ago, EVs were experimental slop subsidized by greenies, now it's production stuff being bought by bean-counters.
Charge time doesn't matter because you already have mandatory breaks, and if you pull a lot of grades, you'll actually make better time because that thing has a thousand horse power unit.
10 years ago, EVs were experimental slop subsidized by greenies, now it's production stuff being bought by bean-counters.
@cjd @Evil_Bender @pepsi_man I have never seen an electric truck, and I rarely see electric cars, sounds like cap to me
The thing is they're expensive, say like $250k.
But if you're getting 8 MPG with your diesel and an electric gets 2 kWh/mile, if you're paying 20 cents per kWh then that's $3.20 per 8 miles, so you're saving like $3 per 8 miles.
If you're averaging 500 miles per day, you're saving $187/day.
Your driver's $300/day and you're gonna amortize that truck over 5 years, so that's costing you about $166 per working day (lets figure the truck is moving 300 days out of a year).
Now you take that and you look at maintenance and repair on these DEF/DPF shits and at the end of the day it just makes sense.
The sad story is gonna be for all the owner-operators who are driving their 1990s detroit diesel with no emissions, and they're gonna get fucked over on fuel and the big companies are gonna eat their lunch on freight rates.
But if you're getting 8 MPG with your diesel and an electric gets 2 kWh/mile, if you're paying 20 cents per kWh then that's $3.20 per 8 miles, so you're saving like $3 per 8 miles.
If you're averaging 500 miles per day, you're saving $187/day.
Your driver's $300/day and you're gonna amortize that truck over 5 years, so that's costing you about $166 per working day (lets figure the truck is moving 300 days out of a year).
Now you take that and you look at maintenance and repair on these DEF/DPF shits and at the end of the day it just makes sense.
The sad story is gonna be for all the owner-operators who are driving their 1990s detroit diesel with no emissions, and they're gonna get fucked over on fuel and the big companies are gonna eat their lunch on freight rates.
@cjd @Evil_Bender @pepsi_man maybe in theory, but the whole charging infrastructure hasnt been proven with massive fleets of electric trucks, the whole thing is just theoretical at this point
> charging infrastructure hasnt been proven
It's not like you have to prove that the chargers will work, like as if they might mysteriously not start up and we need physicists to figure out why...
It's just a question of whether there are enough of them on the routes you want and if the price of power at the chargers is economical.
Now there's a lot of short haul shit, and for that they're just gonna charge it at the warehouse. Long distance you have to actually find the chargers and confirm the price of power and so on, but this is classic work for an office worker at a large trucking company.
If you're small, you go on trucking dot com and you find a contract and bid. If you're big, you know your main routes, you know basically how many trucks are gonna go over interstate 5 (for example) in a year, so you're gonna put electrics where there ARE chargers and where you're doing a lot of driving.
Like I said, this was theoretical 10 years ago, at this point it's pretty much inevitable...
It's not like you have to prove that the chargers will work, like as if they might mysteriously not start up and we need physicists to figure out why...
It's just a question of whether there are enough of them on the routes you want and if the price of power at the chargers is economical.
Now there's a lot of short haul shit, and for that they're just gonna charge it at the warehouse. Long distance you have to actually find the chargers and confirm the price of power and so on, but this is classic work for an office worker at a large trucking company.
If you're small, you go on trucking dot com and you find a contract and bid. If you're big, you know your main routes, you know basically how many trucks are gonna go over interstate 5 (for example) in a year, so you're gonna put electrics where there ARE chargers and where you're doing a lot of driving.
Like I said, this was theoretical 10 years ago, at this point it's pretty much inevitable...
Unfortunately, what you are advocating for is a potential future solution whose enabling technology (energy storage) is far from mature, practical nor affordable, and even of it were, electric long or medium haul are still years away from mass fielding. Therefore, it is not going to solve the present problem right now.
The real-time solution would be to pull out of this bullshit kike war, and stop our energy exports until domestic economic stability is achieved, but since that's not happening anytime soon, we're fucked.
The real-time solution would be to pull out of this bullshit kike war, and stop our energy exports until domestic economic stability is achieved, but since that's not happening anytime soon, we're fucked.
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America doesn't have the industries to produce enough batteries to electrify the fleet. China does, but ZOG is in a soft conflict with them. Getting enough batteries from them would require concessions on the Iran war, which makes it a moot point.
China is pushing battery technology because their gambit is to end the petrodollar.
Now my prediction for this Iran thing is that it is going to go on for longer than anyone expects - and when it's over, >50% of new cars will be electric. Because the oil shock will not relent, and eventually people are just going to move on with their lives and say "screw it, I'll buy electric"...
Now my prediction for this Iran thing is that it is going to go on for longer than anyone expects - and when it's over, >50% of new cars will be electric. Because the oil shock will not relent, and eventually people are just going to move on with their lives and say "screw it, I'll buy electric"...
China's primary customers are going to be domestic markets. They're trying to negate the oil shortage. Remember the USA tariffs Chinese electric cars, and they're trying to avoid getting batteries from China. Their trade war is incompatible with the Iran war.
What China's gonna do is sell EVs to Europe, Canada, Australia, Russia, South America, etc.
China doesn't need to get the US off of oil, China needs to get the rest of the world off of oil in order to crush the petrodollar system.
I'm in France and every once in a while I see a BYD.
China doesn't need to get the US off of oil, China needs to get the rest of the world off of oil in order to crush the petrodollar system.
I'm in France and every once in a while I see a BYD.
Yeah, that makes a lot more sense. I would see them selling to everyone but the USA, even if it didn't make any money. It sends the message, "We give you cars. America gives you wars."
Of course their industry is pulling ahead anyways so that's most likely where most of the cars will be built in the medium-term future.
Of course their industry is pulling ahead anyways so that's most likely where most of the cars will be built in the medium-term future.
I'm sure they'd be happy to sell them to the US too, it's just the US will not want to import them.
And the Chinese are really good at supply chain optimization. If anyone knows how to shave a penny it's them.
And the Chinese are really good at supply chain optimization. If anyone knows how to shave a penny it's them.
@cjd @CliffSecord @Evil_Bender @PoalackJokes88 @pepsi_man @medievalwars With the petrodollar destroyed I wont be able to buy electric. I'll have to buy a walkable city instead.
Continental America will ironically do quite fine from end of the empire.
Every city is walkable if you want to get there badly enough.