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"I'd rather you pollute my community so my children can choke on your exhaust fumes than see you driving a Tesla"

- totally normal opinions by people who are not deranged at all and 100% care about the planet and definitely wanted a Green New Deal

@feld is that normative?

My country went from 20th-century exhaust to almost nothing without any EVs at all. And it is impossible to power all these cars and trucks with electricity. We would need 14 nuclear power stations and three-five times grid capacity.
No wind. Hydro is fully developed (except if we'd go Chinese and deport half a million ppl) and fossils to power EV is the worst.

@CapitalB

> We would need 14 nuclear power stations and three-five times grid capacity.

14 nuclear power stations? Go to China, that's 14 weeks of solar deployment. They're deploying 1 nuclear plant worth of capacity in solar *per week*.

grid capacity? likely solvable with the newer conductors as the losses are massive

remember you can't just look at the fuel and say "we need this much equivalent in electricity" because petrol/diesel engines are terribly inefficient

@feld plus we already have the highest % of public transport. Tondemand more than anybody else does it bizarre.

@CapitalB does Switzerland have an independent grid? Do you not buy energy from neighbors?

@feld Sometimes. Sometimes we export. In Winter more imports. Why is that important?