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@sun the best response I got from it was "well groups which selected for nomadic crime wouldn't work because they would suffer reputational harm and aware states would take measures to respond to them" and then in the next paragraph it was decrying discrimination against them which was supposedly the main cause
@augustus @sun the thing that makes gypsies development a lot less weird is that they where enslaved in a form of indentured servitude for many hundreds of years in the hungaria-romania area, notably in a way where they where as a community self-sufficient and somewhat mobile but still slaves

not from a "sympathy" perspective but from an "oh, so that's how they turned out that specific weird way" perspective

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