all sex exclusively based on sexual desire is bad, but so is sex based exclusively on desire for offspring. theyre both selfish.
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@georgia selfish? if mutually enjoyable how selfish?
@ug by selfish I dont mean one person desires something the other doesnt, I mean one person wants something in return. motivated by self-interest, not by pure love.
@georgia what's pure love?
@ug love without concern for self-interest
@georgia yeah but the point of fucking is you both enjoy it
@ug the point of sex is not kama, its prema. enjoyment from sex should be derived from love, not from pleasure. love is selfless, pleasure is always self-interested.
@georgia hmmmmmm
in some ways it is
in some ways it is not
in some ways it both is and is not
in some ways it neither is nor is not
in all ways it is indescribable
in some ways it is
in some ways it is not
in some ways it both is and is not
in some ways it neither is nor is not
in all ways it is indescribable
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@ug youll need to explain your point more. I'll just have to agree to disagree I think
@georgia i believe that is from the upanishads
i feel like you can 'love' someone casually, like you might not just view them as a sexual object but experience casual sex as a mutual beneficial activity, to doing it 'with' vs 'to'
i do think there is a lot of sex that is rather shallow or even harmful, where both parties feel empty or apart afterwards, but I'm not sure if 'pure love' needs to be there, or that casual sex can't be healthy but there's more factors at play
i feel like you can 'love' someone casually, like you might not just view them as a sexual object but experience casual sex as a mutual beneficial activity, to doing it 'with' vs 'to'
i do think there is a lot of sex that is rather shallow or even harmful, where both parties feel empty or apart afterwards, but I'm not sure if 'pure love' needs to be there, or that casual sex can't be healthy but there's more factors at play
@ug gosh i cant believe i missed an upanishad reference, i must continue my studies!!!
i guess im kind of a love fundamentalist by thinking agape must be there for sex to be permissable. agape is so uncommon in kali yuga. historically, most couples have come together because they wanted to have sex lawfully, and eventually wanted offspring. i view all this as selfish.
i guess im kind of a love fundamentalist by thinking agape must be there for sex to be permissable. agape is so uncommon in kali yuga. historically, most couples have come together because they wanted to have sex lawfully, and eventually wanted offspring. i view all this as selfish.