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@shibao yeah, there's a lot more productivity and much less "how do i actually call this api do i really have to figure this out for 3 hours" type stuff

@lain @shibao have you guys tried local models ?

@subnetter @shibao yes, but for programming they are not quite there yet. for other stuff they are quite usable, gemma 4 is really good.

@subnetter @lain all the ones i tried out were shit

@shibao @lain I heard a few good things when you use vulcan with some of them, but I still refuse to use anything related to OpenAI and Anthropic because of my ethical lines. I've toyed with Qwen3.5 for simple shit like emails and basic documentation lookup.

I am not a swe but none of my co workers have productivity boosts from LLMs and a few have leaked sensitive data on them 🫠

@subnetter @lain you kinda have to be a good dev to use them well tbh which is kinda funny

@shibao @lain yeah that tracks, I know some coked out c-suite exec who calls himself a vibe coder now, but I doubt any of these dweebs have shipped out a secure application in prod

@subnetter @shibao has anyone?

I've found that I am forced to develop an understanding of libraries I use anyway because the models (GLM 5.1 recently) get stuck on the implementation details and I have to ask very precise questions. I gain this understanding faster because I don't have to dig through the sources myself, but in the end I still know now how this rendering library packs the color channels and alpha bits. If I didn't ask, I would have just been stuck.

might be a skill issue

@WandererUber @shibao i don't see this behavior but i also have no idea what you might be 'doing wrong'. maybe i should just record a session of writing some tool with it.

I would love to see that

@lain @shibao i had thought of this and "hmm will i lose the ability to find out stuff for myself" and the answer I think is, "no". Instead of having to get pissed at trying to find how to do something, or read a lotta docs, Claude/Gemini can simply point how a stuff is/works and then I do the work myself. Hell, this reminds me of trying to navigate the openAI api endpoints and strugglling to find the exact values for the thingies.