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@phnt @benis_redux @Inginsub @pernia I don't think it makes sense to count from when it first began private development tbh. By that reasoning c++ could also be pushed back from its official 1985 date to 1979 when Bjarne first started experimenting with his own compiler. But that's not normally how it works. 2012 is what it would actually be the real year by normal standards but still crazy how long ago that was even so