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Iranian loses will accelerate now. (switching from standoff range bombardment to overhead precision ones. That's the sign that iran has a massively degraded aa shield). Having targeting eyes up close means easier detection and immediate strikes on tunnel entrances, mobile launchers, vehicles etc. Once that becomes the established mop of zog, ground troops will be prepared for insertion to iran because then cas will be possible. It seems zog is determined to take it all the way. Land war. At least that's what this suggests.
RT: https://poa.st/objects/b225d9be-f162-4eb8-9ba5-be389031f3cd
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@Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta Can you explain what you were looking at that would lead to this theory?
@NoDoxGregBrady Zog jets are flying above iranian targets since late yesterday. That means no need for standoff range bombardments because obviously iranian aa threat is either gone or weak enough to worth zog risking it.
@Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @NoDoxGregBrady Israel's position is so bad now, but you're saying that like the threshold for "worth risking it" is definitely extremely high. Israel's happy to waste its people and its planes, which we'll replace for it.
Israel can't bomb the drones and rockets, they're too dispersed and hidden in mountains.
What they can bomb is power plants and water treatment plants to create a humanitarian crisis - which you can bet they will...
Both sides are capable of creating pain for the other side, but neither side is capable of preventing the other side from striking. This war is wildly unbalanced in favor of offense - everybody loses.
What they can bomb is power plants and water treatment plants to create a humanitarian crisis - which you can bet they will...
Both sides are capable of creating pain for the other side, but neither side is capable of preventing the other side from striking. This war is wildly unbalanced in favor of offense - everybody loses.
@cjd @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @NoDoxGregBrady there's should be some MAD that should urge some restraint there, since there are vulnerable desalination plants all over the region, but unfortunately one side of the conflict is Israel which has no restraint.
And the other side is no longer has a centralized government - so the interests of the militants runs contrary to the interests of the "country"
So basically, when (or if already) the Iranian government collapses/collapsed, the splinter cells of IRGC that blow out in every direction have absolutely no reason to be restrained either...
@cjd @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @NoDoxGregBrady I think this is exaggerating things by a bit. It's conceivable that you could get some situation where a lone Japanese soldier is still fighting the world, and conceivable that rogue elements would commit some unwanted escalation, but Iran's mosaic defense doesn't actually seem to be a command for everyone to scatter and go rogue. It seems more like broad tactical independence with a lot of preplanning, so that the military won't just freeze up and become ineffective when command's killed. Statements like "every commander has three replacements" are not statements like "even the last Iranian recruit will flee into the mountains with his last rifle".
It'd be meaningless for Iran to deny having committed some attack for example, with all rogue elements, and there are plenty of attacks that are responsive to time-sensitive intelligence which must still reach people.
It'd be meaningless for Iran to deny having committed some attack for example, with all rogue elements, and there are plenty of attacks that are responsive to time-sensitive intelligence which must still reach people.
Well, you'd have three forces conspiring to make this happen:
1. Redundancy and decentralization built by the central government for continuity purposes.
2. Radicals in the IRGC who may or may not be interested in hearing about a ceasefire that is being called by someone who is not The Ayatollah and who they have never answered to before.
3. Israel who is assassinating everyone who even appears to be establishing themselves as a central authority figure.
At some point, they may truly run out of leaders, and at that point it is most likely to default back to 90 million Lone Japanese Soldiers...
1. Redundancy and decentralization built by the central government for continuity purposes.
2. Radicals in the IRGC who may or may not be interested in hearing about a ceasefire that is being called by someone who is not The Ayatollah and who they have never answered to before.
3. Israel who is assassinating everyone who even appears to be establishing themselves as a central authority figure.
At some point, they may truly run out of leaders, and at that point it is most likely to default back to 90 million Lone Japanese Soldiers...
@cjd @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @NoDoxGregBrady on 2. Israel's trying to do that, which again is evidence that all that what Israel really wants is regional chaos and failed states. A democratic and liberal Iran would still be attacked because it'd still in the way.
But Israel is not actually succeeding in doing that. It's a possibility, sure, and also there's certainly no easy win like "airdrop the Shah with a bunch of leaflets saying that he's your leader now, please stop".
This was supposed to be a four day war after all. Iran was supposed to be paralyzed by the initial attack. This whole conflict was supposed to happen a month ago with CIA and Mossad-fueled terrorist cells very rapidly degrading the government's legitimacy with a fake revolution. The train is fully off the rails.
But Israel is not actually succeeding in doing that. It's a possibility, sure, and also there's certainly no easy win like "airdrop the Shah with a bunch of leaflets saying that he's your leader now, please stop".
This was supposed to be a four day war after all. Iran was supposed to be paralyzed by the initial attack. This whole conflict was supposed to happen a month ago with CIA and Mossad-fueled terrorist cells very rapidly degrading the government's legitimacy with a fake revolution. The train is fully off the rails.
@apropos @cjd @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @NoDoxGregBrady Same strategy that allowed the British Empire to triumph over Europe, more or less.
The big mistake that Israel KEEPS making with Iran (this is like the 3rd time they've tried) is that there is no energy for internal revolution in Iran. It's more or less a modern country in spite of attempts to destabilize it. It would be like trying to start a revolution in modern Turkey, but for some reason they just assume it will happen over and over and over again even though it has never shown any signs of success.
The big mistake that Israel KEEPS making with Iran (this is like the 3rd time they've tried) is that there is no energy for internal revolution in Iran. It's more or less a modern country in spite of attempts to destabilize it. It would be like trying to start a revolution in modern Turkey, but for some reason they just assume it will happen over and over and over again even though it has never shown any signs of success.
@Engelsax @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @NoDoxGregBrady @cjd Turkey came close to a military coup not too long ago, with some pretty bad scenes and Erdogan fleeing the country.
There's also a lot of nuance in how fake revolutions can go, and Israel probably had the most essential element which is an elite traitor in the target country who can magnanimously surrender after his competitors are disabled.
I don't think the shock-terror-revolution strategy from January was impossible, but it obviously failed very quickly, and any remaining chance of an organic uprising to cover for such a thing was killed at the same time as Khameini. Western planners really took a long time to move on from that plan after it'd obviously failed.
There's also a lot of nuance in how fake revolutions can go, and Israel probably had the most essential element which is an elite traitor in the target country who can magnanimously surrender after his competitors are disabled.
I don't think the shock-terror-revolution strategy from January was impossible, but it obviously failed very quickly, and any remaining chance of an organic uprising to cover for such a thing was killed at the same time as Khameini. Western planners really took a long time to move on from that plan after it'd obviously failed.
@apropos @cjd @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @NoDoxGregBrady Well fair enough, I didn't know that. In any case this strategy has been tried in Iran over and over again and they can never get anything serious going.
Iran has such a bad relationship with the west, since when they overthrew the democratic government and installed the Shah... You don't just get forgiven for that stuff.
Even if Iranians hate the govt, they hate the US and Israel more.
Even if Iranians hate the govt, they hate the US and Israel more.
@cjd @Engelsax @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @NoDoxGregBrady we killed a kindly old man with his daughter and his granddaughter in home home at the same time as 167 schoolgirls and their teachers, and we're currently boasting that we have infinity bombs to drop that can do nothing but economic and civilian damage.
Hatred's probably risen enough for a phase change, like ice turning into water.
Hatred's probably risen enough for a phase change, like ice turning into water.
@apropos @cjd @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @NoDoxGregBrady I think that's just part of bringing free abortions to the world. The first few are always haphazard but freedom has a price and women's healthcare is worth
@Engelsax @apropos @cjd @NoDoxGregBrady I agree with free unlimited abortions for all people of color. No limits. Up to birth. Beyond birth. In fact forced abortions beyond birth are ideal imo.
@Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Engelsax @apropos @cjd @NoDoxGregBrady My "pro choice" solution and to overcome "systemic racism" is onerous checks for European women to get an abortion where all others will get it for free and a $100 gift card to retailer of their choice.
Post-imperial world, all of this women's lib stuff is gonna go straight in the trash, because it causes population decline.
In Pax Americana, countries could all afford population decline because borders are all basically fixed, nobody invades anybody, world police watches over.
But post-empire, if you're not growing population, pretty quick your neighbor is gonna be like "hey, you don't really need all that land, do you?" Exactly what Russia did w/ Ukraine...
Governments catch a whiff of that you're gonna see the whole 20th century of liberalism getting repealed at night without even a debate. Muh emergency powers, same kind of shit as covid lockdowns "we need to"...
In Pax Americana, countries could all afford population decline because borders are all basically fixed, nobody invades anybody, world police watches over.
But post-empire, if you're not growing population, pretty quick your neighbor is gonna be like "hey, you don't really need all that land, do you?" Exactly what Russia did w/ Ukraine...
Governments catch a whiff of that you're gonna see the whole 20th century of liberalism getting repealed at night without even a debate. Muh emergency powers, same kind of shit as covid lockdowns "we need to"...
@cjd @apropos @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @MongoMonkey @NoDoxGregBrady There won't be a post imperial world, the seat of the empire is just going to change.
There are a couple of reasons why that's not considered a likely scenario:
1. There's no currency that can meaningfully compete with the USD for reserve status. BRICS never managed to get their thing off the ground, all of the central banks are basically giving up on a future reserve currency and just stockpiling gold. What's important to understand about the dollar-system is it's what really holds the world together. Countries that are on that system are forced to play nice with each other, and countries that are not on it are the "rogue states". A collapse of that system means every country can just do rogue state things with basically no penalty.
2. The rise of mass media in the 20th century created this (unique in all of history) opportunity to control super massive groups of people. From that, we got Fascism, Communism, and Capitalism, of which only one really remains. That is all gone now, the internet killed it. Trying to get billions of people to all believe in something now is just an insane cat-herding exercise.
All of this points toward a multi-polar future made up of a number of mutually antagonistic countries, particularly US, Europe, Russia, and China. There are things which will always exist, like offshore banking, but it is highly unlikely that we are ever going to see something like Pax Americana again in the foreseeable future.
1. There's no currency that can meaningfully compete with the USD for reserve status. BRICS never managed to get their thing off the ground, all of the central banks are basically giving up on a future reserve currency and just stockpiling gold. What's important to understand about the dollar-system is it's what really holds the world together. Countries that are on that system are forced to play nice with each other, and countries that are not on it are the "rogue states". A collapse of that system means every country can just do rogue state things with basically no penalty.
2. The rise of mass media in the 20th century created this (unique in all of history) opportunity to control super massive groups of people. From that, we got Fascism, Communism, and Capitalism, of which only one really remains. That is all gone now, the internet killed it. Trying to get billions of people to all believe in something now is just an insane cat-herding exercise.
All of this points toward a multi-polar future made up of a number of mutually antagonistic countries, particularly US, Europe, Russia, and China. There are things which will always exist, like offshore banking, but it is highly unlikely that we are ever going to see something like Pax Americana again in the foreseeable future.
@cjd @apropos @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @MongoMonkey @NoDoxGregBrady Just because it's not obvious what that currency would be now doesn't mean there isn't one. It's just trust based. Some kind of global hegemony will keep reasserting itself if only to avoid nuclear options and that will continue to be the case until society simply loses the ability to produce competent elites, which contrary to hyper-polarizing propaganda, it hasn't yet.
Moltipolarity isn't a real thing that's going to stick. The notion seems to mostly come from Russian propagandists, no-brainer why they'd push it. They push anything and everything that undermines American hegemony.
Moltipolarity isn't a real thing that's going to stick. The notion seems to mostly come from Russian propagandists, no-brainer why they'd push it. They push anything and everything that undermines American hegemony.
@cjd @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @MongoMonkey @NoDoxGregBrady @apropos If Iran disintegrates, no matter how dirty it is, there's a good chance Israel strengthens its ties to the Gulf monarchies and they form a new power block. There would be tensions but if I had to guess where the next seat of empire will be it probably will be that.
I think Greater Israel could become a thing - particularly if they contrive to make Jews around the world so hated that they're run out of every other country and forced to settle there.
But I think the notion that they're going to become a World Hegemony is some eschatological nonsense. Israelis telling other Israelis to think they're going to have 2000 goy slaves - which is not entirely unlike 72 virgins.
The reality is oil is not actually that scarce, and it's becoming less and less important. China has first generation molten salt reactors, power costs are going to go down, hydrogen / ammonia / batteries are all on the up-swing. The middle east is more likely to go back to being a bunch of dumb boring desert than a world hegemony.
But I think the notion that they're going to become a World Hegemony is some eschatological nonsense. Israelis telling other Israelis to think they're going to have 2000 goy slaves - which is not entirely unlike 72 virgins.
The reality is oil is not actually that scarce, and it's becoming less and less important. China has first generation molten salt reactors, power costs are going to go down, hydrogen / ammonia / batteries are all on the up-swing. The middle east is more likely to go back to being a bunch of dumb boring desert than a world hegemony.
@cjd @Engelsax @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @MongoMonkey @NoDoxGregBrady the Middle East wouldn't be irrelevant even if oil became irrelevant, because it's still an important trade route. There are some dire warnings about fertilizer which now can't pass through Hormuz.
But just like Russia benefits from oil price spikes, Russia benefits from Arctic trade routes which would be very competitive with Middle Eastern routes.
But just like Russia benefits from oil price spikes, Russia benefits from Arctic trade routes which would be very competitive with Middle Eastern routes.
The trade route is a good point, but I don't think it's big enough to make the middle east into the lynch pin of the world economy.
The US is going to fuck off and lick it's wounds for a while - and hopefully go back to being a constitutional republic - but the US with it's 2 oceans and 2 mountain ranges remains effectively uninvadable, so even if another global hegemony were to ever emerge, it would probably also be based in the US...
But more likely, the US will return to the world stage as an arms merchant, just getting rich selling weapons to everyone.
The US is going to fuck off and lick it's wounds for a while - and hopefully go back to being a constitutional republic - but the US with it's 2 oceans and 2 mountain ranges remains effectively uninvadable, so even if another global hegemony were to ever emerge, it would probably also be based in the US...
But more likely, the US will return to the world stage as an arms merchant, just getting rich selling weapons to everyone.
@cjd @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @MongoMonkey @NoDoxGregBrady @Engelsax
>uninvadable
yeah, the US will never ever ever be invaded by some remote continental power :)
our doom options are:
a. break up into separate states with one or more states getting turned into our Ukraine/Taiwan/Israel and then relentlessly proxied against the other ex-US states by remote continental powers that view all deaths on all sides as "one less American"
b. same but Mexico or Canada are the proxy
>uninvadable
yeah, the US will never ever ever be invaded by some remote continental power :)
our doom options are:
a. break up into separate states with one or more states getting turned into our Ukraine/Taiwan/Israel and then relentlessly proxied against the other ex-US states by remote continental powers that view all deaths on all sides as "one less American"
b. same but Mexico or Canada are the proxy
The US is already conquered by Decadence. Every new decade is potentially the end to the Experiment.
@FourOh-LLC @apropos @cjd @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @MongoMonkey @NoDoxGregBrady @Engelsax I'm starting to think the naysayers are right.
@DC5FAN @FourOh-LLC @apropos @cjd @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @MongoMonkey @NoDoxGregBrady @Engelsax You’ve piqued my curiosity about what the naysayers are right about
i dunno why this shit won't load for me. cuz i'm curious too.