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@feld I don't want to. But I do.
Skipped IMP/Horde.
Then there was RoundCube.
After came RainLoop which has been maintained in the SnappyMail fork.
... still can't believe a web app can be more performant than Thunderbird - in worse environments too.
@mWare I'm still using roundcube at the moment but need to switch to snappy
@feld you'll never look back. It even lets you sign in to multiple accounts from one login session.
@mWare this is great 😍
@feld I keep trying to figure out what the downside is, other than PHP of course.
@mWare it's very fast and even let me do a sync of contacts from carddav (radicale) which was nice
@feld this I have not done, we're a big iCloud family for calendars.
@mWare I've moved all my contacts to privately hosted and some of my calendars
the problem is the standards bodies did a terrible job of getting everyone to implement the sharing and other functionality. It's all based on WebDav ACLs and it's just a mess. It's totally possible to do things like shared calendars, but you know how when you modify/add/remove events from a shared calendar the other members get push notifications?
This isn't part of any standard. That's an iCloud specific feature. Totally proprietary.
The best you can do from what I can see is to give Radicale or similar access to your mail server and it can do webhooks or send emails as notifications. I'm still exploring this.
Really drives me nuts that everyone gives Apple/Google/etc complete access to their social graphs and schedules because it just can't really be encrypted on their end and still work the way it does
the problem is the standards bodies did a terrible job of getting everyone to implement the sharing and other functionality. It's all based on WebDav ACLs and it's just a mess. It's totally possible to do things like shared calendars, but you know how when you modify/add/remove events from a shared calendar the other members get push notifications?
This isn't part of any standard. That's an iCloud specific feature. Totally proprietary.
The best you can do from what I can see is to give Radicale or similar access to your mail server and it can do webhooks or send emails as notifications. I'm still exploring this.
Really drives me nuts that everyone gives Apple/Google/etc complete access to their social graphs and schedules because it just can't really be encrypted on their end and still work the way it does
@feld seems moot between RCS and iMessage though. You can protect yourself & your own as much as you want, you're still going to have to interact with those outside your bubble.
Contacts & Calendars are something I would like to self-host painlessly across Apple/Windows/Google...
@mWare
> seems moot between RCS and iMessage though
yeah, they can see the contact numbers but not necessarily their names, know what I mean?
e.g., my boss was notoriously privacy-focused and had almost no online footprint. I did not like the fact that his name and cell phone number were in my address book which Apple could see. I am quite certain that his real name was not associated with that cell phone -- likely acquired through an LLC that wasn't even in his name.
> seems moot between RCS and iMessage though
yeah, they can see the contact numbers but not necessarily their names, know what I mean?
e.g., my boss was notoriously privacy-focused and had almost no online footprint. I did not like the fact that his name and cell phone number were in my address book which Apple could see. I am quite certain that his real name was not associated with that cell phone -- likely acquired through an LLC that wasn't even in his name.
@feld good luck existing with a credit card? Corporate records? Land registry? It's nearly impossible to fully disappear from the credit bureaus.
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@mWare oh he did very successfully. He would do things like have people he trusted put their names on real estate (office space, condos, apartments). He'd email me and have me sign up for and pay for things online and he'd just deposit the funds in my account
@feld that just sounds like fraud and money laundering.
@mWare taxes weren't being avoided 🤷♂️