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chjara

@chjara@akko.tuxcrafting.xyz remote

CoD MW2 90% off on Steam? How- It's 100$ normally??

chjara

@chjara@akko.tuxcrafting.xyz remote

Huh

Haelwenn /элвэн/

@lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me remote

@chjara CoD is stinky!!

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@allison@hidamari.apartments remote

@lanodan @chjara everything not foss is stinky

Haelwenn /элвэн/

@lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me remote

@allison @chjara Do you count Quake then? (non-libre assets but libre code)
Or only the games derived from it?

@allison@hidamari.apartments remote

@lanodan @chjara quake counts imho, assets are almost always all over the place, but it's the codebase that ultimately matters

@allison@hidamari.apartments remote

@lanodan @chjara for the same reason I also consider emulators licit, the assets are nonfree but the program running them is free

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Haelwenn /элвэн/

@lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me remote

@allison @chjara emulators… I consider them entirely legal, at least as long as they don't bundle in non-free code and quite few times you need stuff like boot roms, which are typically proprietary with little to no libre reimplementations.

But I'd still wish you could have libre licensing of what runs in emulators, if only to make stuff like mods legal.

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@allison@hidamari.apartments remote

@lanodan @chjara legality is entirely not a concern to me, but from a practical perspective I prefer libre software because of the guarantees it offers

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Haelwenn /элвэн/

@lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me remote

@allison @chjara I take legality as the only difference between libre and not. Otherwise it's just random kinds of source code access or even just binary edits where if you do anything with it either it's kept personal or it's stuck to pirate-lands with little to no cooperation possibilities.

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@allison@hidamari.apartments remote

@lanodan @chjara There's a qualitative difference between source code which is designed and maintained to be edited by third parties in a general public and binary artifacts which don't have said guarantees and were never intended to.

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Haelwenn /элвэн/

@lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me remote

@allison @chjara True, and to be clear, I'm not on the side of "everything needs to be libre software".
There's few things where I think they need to be (like for gov/bank/… stuff I so wish it would be open protocols), but not everything.

And I appreciate when something is libre, but like for example I'm not going on a jihad against the demoscene for typically only sharing carefully made binary builds.