Jolla could capitalize so hard right now on Android getting closed off more and more by Google if they had a clue how to play this niche that is only going to get bigger. bringing back The Other Half and being able to get a modern phone running a Linux phone OS that actually works and isn't ugly and miserable to use, and has an Android compatibility layer, AND will soon likely have a physical QWERTY keyboard, AND has hackable open hardware modding (!) would be like next level getting in on the ground floor and pulling forward a space that is only going to keep growing
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9Jolla could capitalize so hard right now on Android getting closed off more and more by GoogleThey really could, if they actually made Sailfish OS less proprietary than Android.
That is currently not the case, so if you actually care about free and "open" software, Android is currently a better operating system than Sailfish.
That's also why I disagree with calling Sailfish a "Linux phone". It is misleading. Android also has a Linux kernel, so Android is also a "Linux phone".
@SuperDicq @nyx > Linux phone, while Android just is
Yeah, the one thing that Android isn't is Unix, that's the model that Android explicitly throws away. (See how anyone wanting a Unix environment on Android installs termux, which could be compared with Cygwin or WSL, specially in how it ends up jailed in a corner)
Could also put that SailfishOS (among others) isn't a gigantic monolithic system, but instead atomic system packages, so you can throw away stuff you don't like as well as replacing bits like a ship of thesus, something you can't cleanly do with Android.
Yeah, the one thing that Android isn't is Unix, that's the model that Android explicitly throws away. (See how anyone wanting a Unix environment on Android installs termux, which could be compared with Cygwin or WSL, specially in how it ends up jailed in a corner)
Could also put that SailfishOS (among others) isn't a gigantic monolithic system, but instead atomic system packages, so you can throw away stuff you don't like as well as replacing bits like a ship of thesus, something you can't cleanly do with Android.
@lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @nyx@social.xenofem.me Sailfish isn't Unix either, it's is GNU.
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@SuperDicq @nyx Well, there's been some that have been certified in the past, Inspur K-UX and EulerOS for example, interestingly both RedHat derived.
https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/brand3622.htm
https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/brand3617.htm
https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/brand3622.htm
https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/brand3617.htm
@lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @nyx@social.xenofem.me Unix 3 is a certification, not an operating system. It just means these systems are POSIX compliant which is something that only corpos actually care about. It's not Unix (the operating system).
@SuperDicq @nyx Yeah, the certification bit is pretty much just UNIX trademark rights and corporate/US-federal-government (at least when it was also published through FIPS) box ticking.
As for Unix the OS. Or arguing about some sort of Unix Philosophy or copyright lineage.
Either Unix is dead (and starting to smell really bad), or Unix is still a thing.
As for Unix the OS. Or arguing about some sort of Unix Philosophy or copyright lineage.
Either Unix is dead (and starting to smell really bad), or Unix is still a thing.
@lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @nyx@social.xenofem.me If you ask me I would say ignore all the trademark and certification bullshit. In my opinion the last version of Unix was V10.5.
Unless you ask some weirdos who thinks all these weirdo corpo forks of V7 like Unixware and Solaris and shit like that are the latest versions of Unix.
And even weirder people who say BSD is still actually Unix because it originally started as a fork.
@lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @nyx@social.xenofem.me Or you say Plan 9 is the latest version of Unix but then you will have a lot of mad Plan 9 people who will kill you because "Plan 9 is not Unix, but it is an evolution of Unix."
@SuperDicq @nyx Yeah, Plan9 is more like when a book author starts new series, it can feel the same as the previous one but can't take it as like a sequel.
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