aborting babies for "eugenic" reasons is literally futile. its an attempt to cheat God, and God always wins. all youre doing is giving yourself worse karma (and thus are more likely to have difficult children in future lifetimes) by having an abortion.
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@georgia are you anti-abortion in general or just against aborting disabled fetuses?
@nautilus I'm anti-abortion except in cases of rape and harm to the mother. abortion is violence against the weak. eugenic abortion is particularly insidious.
@georgia what do you define as harm to the pregnant person?
how do you propose to screen out "legitimate" abortions from the ones that are wrong?
also, I am pro-choice, but I find the rape exception some pro-lifers have kinda puzzling because it implies that certain fetuses do not have a right to live depending on the circumstances of their conception (which are beyond their control)
how do you propose to screen out "legitimate" abortions from the ones that are wrong?
also, I am pro-choice, but I find the rape exception some pro-lifers have kinda puzzling because it implies that certain fetuses do not have a right to live depending on the circumstances of their conception (which are beyond their control)
@nautilus harm to me means a doctor believes their life is at risk. I consider rape a valid exception because raped women are not responsible for being pregnant and carrying a baby conceived from rape to term is understandably psychologically violent. its all about responsible individuals having the responsibility to prevent violence to me. if you aren't a responsible individual who can take care of a baby you shouldnt be having straight sex.
@georgia do you think it's OK for parents to relinquish responsibilities for an unwanted newborn under safe haven laws? like leaving them at a fire station or hospital
@nautilus I think adoption is vastly preferable to abortion because its less violent, but its still somewhat unethical because it often creates trauma and the adoption system isnt very good in a lot of places. again, the truly responsible should simply use redundant forms of contraception or just not have sex. people talk about how liberating abortion was to women's lives in allowing then to compete in the workplace with men and not be derailed for 20 years, I'm all for the equality of the sexes (I dont think "a woman's place is in the home", everyone should do what they are best individually suited to, that is the true svadharma) but I think "dont have sex, or use birth control" just isnt that hard. I have gone my entire life without sex or an orgasm. people are obsessed with sex though.
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>I think adoption is vastly preferable to abortion because its less violent, but its still somewhat unethical because it often creates trauma and the adoption system isnt very good in a lot of places.
I'm speaking mainly from the experience of seeing a close relative adopting because they're infertile, but at least here there's a lot stigma agains adopting.
The major ones I remember seeing is that a lot of people don't see an adopted kid as a kid, with thoughts like "You can't just give it up later" or "in the end it's not your child", which IMO makes a lot of people think that adopted kids are some kind of vanity object instead of a child being taken care of.
I imagine that if that stigma didn't existed, adoption wouldn't had a lot of those problems
>I think adoption is vastly preferable to abortion because its less violent, but its still somewhat unethical because it often creates trauma and the adoption system isnt very good in a lot of places.
I'm speaking mainly from the experience of seeing a close relative adopting because they're infertile, but at least here there's a lot stigma agains adopting.
The major ones I remember seeing is that a lot of people don't see an adopted kid as a kid, with thoughts like "You can't just give it up later" or "in the end it's not your child", which IMO makes a lot of people think that adopted kids are some kind of vanity object instead of a child being taken care of.
I imagine that if that stigma didn't existed, adoption wouldn't had a lot of those problems
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