how about we build a discord alternative that will actually become popular (no FOSSbros allowed) 
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@kaia unnecessary unless it's foss
@kaia but kaia, use matrix 
@kaia Enjoy getting doxxed again I guess
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@kaia Fluxer seems kinda promising, the plan of having a main hosted server to fund the project but self-hosting being an option seems the most feasible
@Jain sorry it says I don't have your pubic key or sth......
@kaia I will go further than simply "popular things are usually bad" and say "it is that bad things are more attractive to normies". Normies have objectively shit taste, if you want to appeal to them, the only way to do so is to be shit.
@Zergling_man idk, I just want to post tomboys without getting "This message could not delivered because the public key changed" or sth sth
@kaia @Zergling_man 
what? Key exchange works out of the box, verification is completely optional, sounds more like your home server is broken
what? Key exchange works out of the box, verification is completely optional, sounds more like your home server is broken
@kaia I guess: matrix
@kaia (i know that there are mutliple reasons why matrix cant replace discord rn tho)
@p @kaia i can tell you why matrix wont work as discord alternative:
Matrix Spaces dont feel like Discord Servers: Spaces are optional, can be avoided by directly joining to channels and are basically just a list of channels. It is not easy to manage rolles and users over multiple channels / a space and you cant make a welcoming structure like TS / Discord can do it.
Thats actually the main issue.
Next issue is Voice / Video Calls dont work out of the box, admins need to have some knowledge. (At least it was like that once)
Third issue is custom integrations, people would like to have an easy way to integrate bots, custom emojis and stuff, that can be done tho, but it is not easy and fun to do so and custom emojis arent well supported either
Imho those are issues which i dont really care about, i like matrix, but i can understand why people from discord ignore matrix tho
Matrix Spaces dont feel like Discord Servers: Spaces are optional, can be avoided by directly joining to channels and are basically just a list of channels. It is not easy to manage rolles and users over multiple channels / a space and you cant make a welcoming structure like TS / Discord can do it.
Thats actually the main issue.
Next issue is Voice / Video Calls dont work out of the box, admins need to have some knowledge. (At least it was like that once)
Third issue is custom integrations, people would like to have an easy way to integrate bots, custom emojis and stuff, that can be done tho, but it is not easy and fun to do so and custom emojis arent well supported either
Imho those are issues which i dont really care about, i like matrix, but i can understand why people from discord ignore matrix tho