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@RustyCrab Patiently waiting for some idiot in Gentoo core team to mask new versions.
@RustyCrab If that happens, I'm unironically switching to BSDs and buying a mac later.
@phnt @RustyCrab
I'm already two steps ahead of you and it's hard to recommend. I've spent a lot of time since the beginning of the year weighing my options for de-itoddlerization, actually.
I'm already two steps ahead of you and it's hard to recommend. I've spent a lot of time since the beginning of the year weighing my options for de-itoddlerization, actually.
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@idiot @RustyCrab The mindset is that I won't mind how rotten the base when I can't change it anyway on Windows or macOS. Just like I can mostly tolerate Windows when it is LTSC and a few convenience programs like Powertoys and Autohotkey.
@phnt @RustyCrab That was my thought too when I first got mine. If GNU/Linux died tomorrow I could live with macshit, but there are a lot of nice creature comforts (accidental and on-purpose) that make it hard to move (for good.) Least of all being able to just $ wine somegame.exe, these days that has minimal hoop-jumping. Meanwhile Whiskey is dead, and Crossover is VERY expensive for what it actually is, and there's no way to tell what the next macOS mandating arm64 apps ONLY is going to actually shape up like until the thing comes out.
What comes to be shall be. Maybe consider a MBA or Neo with a desktop. It's hard to recommend blowing a few grand on a well-specced Macbook Pro.
What comes to be shall be. Maybe consider a MBA or Neo with a desktop. It's hard to recommend blowing a few grand on a well-specced Macbook Pro.
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@idiot @phnt @RustyCrab
>I could live with macshit
Macshit is tolerable only because "it doesn't change". The moment they have a greater use base, you'll stop being useful and they'll just become the new Microslop. Just like hardware manufacturers right now. They do not care about userbase need. They'll only care about their needs and will do all it takes for you to change your opinion and eat whatever they're selling. And they have reached such a point that they don't even need you, they just print IOUs between SaaSS companies and economy goes brrrr even tho nothing is produced.
>I could live with macshit
Macshit is tolerable only because "it doesn't change". The moment they have a greater use base, you'll stop being useful and they'll just become the new Microslop. Just like hardware manufacturers right now. They do not care about userbase need. They'll only care about their needs and will do all it takes for you to change your opinion and eat whatever they're selling. And they have reached such a point that they don't even need you, they just print IOUs between SaaSS companies and economy goes brrrr even tho nothing is produced.
@mangeurdenuage @RustyCrab @phnt I agree!
But almost every facet of the GNU/Linux usage experience is WORSE than it was 10 years ago. All of the development is going into little fiefdoms for retards to lord over on the "community" side, while the corporate side is insulating themselves against responsibility by dumping all dev time into atomicslopped flatpakshit. Unless you intend on using the usual suspects, Bazzite, Kinoite, rawdogging SteamOS, I'm not seeing the open-arms welcome. And the worst part is nobody wants to wake up to the realization that things are getting worse under their watch, so everything is fine and if you complain you must be a aislop techbro microsoft plant.
Macshit is a temporary solution to the permanent problems free software is facing right now.
But almost every facet of the GNU/Linux usage experience is WORSE than it was 10 years ago. All of the development is going into little fiefdoms for retards to lord over on the "community" side, while the corporate side is insulating themselves against responsibility by dumping all dev time into atomicslopped flatpakshit. Unless you intend on using the usual suspects, Bazzite, Kinoite, rawdogging SteamOS, I'm not seeing the open-arms welcome. And the worst part is nobody wants to wake up to the realization that things are getting worse under their watch, so everything is fine and if you complain you must be a aislop techbro microsoft plant.
Macshit is a temporary solution to the permanent problems free software is facing right now.
@idiot @RustyCrab @phnt
> than it was 10 years ago.
Post 2012 and it's consequences.jpg
>All of the development is going into little fiefdoms for retards to lord over on the "community" side
Again you can blame the 2012 psyops that ravaged IT/intellectual circles like cia-crack on black neighborhoods.
That aside it's normal for people to form groups if they can come to an agreement.
Profiting form that division is divide and conquer tactics that people should be more aware tho.
>while the corporate side is insulating themselves against responsibility by dumping all dev time into atomicslopped flatpakshit.
Lowering the bar isn't the answer and we know it but those entities are governed by board meetings.
>Unless you intend on using the usual suspects, Bazzite, Kinoite, rawdogging SteamOS
The only proper solution is to support the FSF/FSFLA with their respective distros.
People forget that all of the "popular" GNU/linux distros like redhat, arch, debian, *buntu etc... were able to thrives thanks to the sane legal and technical foundations of it's time.
If people want more of that then it's the proper way. If they don't well you know where's heading.
>And the worst part is nobody wants to wake up to the realization that things are getting worse under their watch
Oh people are aware. It's just that each new distos hype scam just sucks up more effort into the negative part this issue.
The problem isn't the manpower, it's to finance the manpower.
Many devs would rather develop GPLv3 software than proprietary scams.
But the money doesn't come from the proper source. Nor for the proper reasons.
I'm participating on my own solution for that.
>Macshit is a temporary solution to the permanent problems free software is facing right now.
A jail is hardly a solution to the world problem
> than it was 10 years ago.
Post 2012 and it's consequences.jpg
>All of the development is going into little fiefdoms for retards to lord over on the "community" side
Again you can blame the 2012 psyops that ravaged IT/intellectual circles like cia-crack on black neighborhoods.
That aside it's normal for people to form groups if they can come to an agreement.
Profiting form that division is divide and conquer tactics that people should be more aware tho.
>while the corporate side is insulating themselves against responsibility by dumping all dev time into atomicslopped flatpakshit.
Lowering the bar isn't the answer and we know it but those entities are governed by board meetings.
>Unless you intend on using the usual suspects, Bazzite, Kinoite, rawdogging SteamOS
The only proper solution is to support the FSF/FSFLA with their respective distros.
People forget that all of the "popular" GNU/linux distros like redhat, arch, debian, *buntu etc... were able to thrives thanks to the sane legal and technical foundations of it's time.
If people want more of that then it's the proper way. If they don't well you know where's heading.
>And the worst part is nobody wants to wake up to the realization that things are getting worse under their watch
Oh people are aware. It's just that each new distos hype scam just sucks up more effort into the negative part this issue.
The problem isn't the manpower, it's to finance the manpower.
Many devs would rather develop GPLv3 software than proprietary scams.
But the money doesn't come from the proper source. Nor for the proper reasons.
I'm participating on my own solution for that.
>Macshit is a temporary solution to the permanent problems free software is facing right now.
A jail is hardly a solution to the world problem
@mangeurdenuage @RustyCrab @phnt
>That aside it's normal for people to form groups if they can come to an agreement.
Yeah but the problem is that "come to an agreement" means "emannuele got to the levers first, gets to choose who may or may not pull the levers, and everyone with lever-pulling privileges decided that they don't really feel like support that feature, like ever again." This is NOT an advocacy problem. None of the projects that create friction points are nonfree. This is 100% a social problem, and you can't EVERYONE USE MORE FREE SOFTWARE RIGHT NOW your way out of this kind of problem.
It feels like someone burned my house down, and told me to my face that they're going to burn my house down every time I buy a new one. The fact that I'm couchsurfing at other peoples' houses is the least of my problems.
>That aside it's normal for people to form groups if they can come to an agreement.
Yeah but the problem is that "come to an agreement" means "emannuele got to the levers first, gets to choose who may or may not pull the levers, and everyone with lever-pulling privileges decided that they don't really feel like support that feature, like ever again." This is NOT an advocacy problem. None of the projects that create friction points are nonfree. This is 100% a social problem, and you can't EVERYONE USE MORE FREE SOFTWARE RIGHT NOW your way out of this kind of problem.
It feels like someone burned my house down, and told me to my face that they're going to burn my house down every time I buy a new one. The fact that I'm couchsurfing at other peoples' houses is the least of my problems.
@idiot @RustyCrab @phnt
>This is 100% a social problem
Thus why I pointed out the 2012 events. That period really is a change in human social interactions.
>and you can't EVERYONE USE MORE FREE SOFTWARE RIGHT NOW your way out of this kind of problem.
I say it again, the capacity of people of forming coherent long term groups have been lowered into oblivion.
>It feels like someone burned my house down, and told me to my face that they're going to burn my house down every time I buy a new one.
You can't have stability if the foundations are proprietary and if the people who are building them also own the demolition company/mafia.
It's part of the same social problem you mentioned. It comes down again to how much manpower is actually controlled, owned by those people.
>This is 100% a social problem
Thus why I pointed out the 2012 events. That period really is a change in human social interactions.
>and you can't EVERYONE USE MORE FREE SOFTWARE RIGHT NOW your way out of this kind of problem.
I say it again, the capacity of people of forming coherent long term groups have been lowered into oblivion.
>It feels like someone burned my house down, and told me to my face that they're going to burn my house down every time I buy a new one.
You can't have stability if the foundations are proprietary and if the people who are building them also own the demolition company/mafia.
It's part of the same social problem you mentioned. It comes down again to how much manpower is actually controlled, owned by those people.
@idiot @RustyCrab @mangeurdenuage Most of the good developers are now gone, haunted away indefinitely, because the bases of their work slowly rotted away. In a weird twist, most of them went to the Apple walled garden.
And they got all replaced by "user friendliness" maniacs that hate anything power users need, because none of it is user friendly, simplistic and elegant. Look at gnome, it used to be good and now every dev an user is a perfect
clone.
And they got all replaced by "user friendliness" maniacs that hate anything power users need, because none of it is user friendly, simplistic and elegant. Look at gnome, it used to be good and now every dev an user is a perfect
clone.
@phnt @RustyCrab @mangeurdenuage I don't know how Apple got the reputation of being the free software retirement home, all I know is it's true.
@idiot @phnt @mangeurdenuage eventually they have to make money and where else are they going to go? Microsoft? Do they speak Hindi?
@phnt @RustyCrab @idiot @mangeurdenuage a good chunk of the custom rom dev scene (the original one from like 2010-2015) went to iOS due to 🇮🇳
@idiot @RustyCrab I'll see, I'm not anyway near needing a new laptop so that's probably years in the future. And I can handle BSDs fairly well, which are much more opposed to the reinvent the wheel culture every 5 years in Linux.
@idiot @RustyCrab What will probably happen sooner is me choosing between a pixel or an iphone. If Google really deploys developer verification and effectively kills f-droid, there's no reason for me to use Android anymore besides watching Youtube ad free.
@mischievoustomato @RustyCrab @phnt >Clone this repo then setup github actions to build it then do a bunch of rain dances to add more features if you really need them
Yeah, I agree, whoever came up with this shit IS a tweaker, no doubt.
Yeah, I agree, whoever came up with this shit IS a tweaker, no doubt.
@idiot @phnt @RustyCrab I went went back to dumphones.
As for desktop computer I just follow the FSF.
As for desktop computer I just follow the FSF.
@mangeurdenuage @RustyCrab @phnt I hope you recognize the use case for phones with more than T9 typing and desktops with more than four ancient cores and 4GB of DDR2. Yeah, you can technically get more by running that dual Opteron board, but my power bill has doubled in the last year as it is already. If you relax and settle for coreboot with me_cleaner, you at least can move up bigly to a T480.
In a shocking twist of fate -- at least in the US -- the limiting factor in distancing yourself from the botnet isn't Google or Apple, it's the carriers being so strict these days with what they allow on their networks. Big tech just happens to welcome you with open arms from there.
In a shocking twist of fate -- at least in the US -- the limiting factor in distancing yourself from the botnet isn't Google or Apple, it's the carriers being so strict these days with what they allow on their networks. Big tech just happens to welcome you with open arms from there.