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@Goalkeeper @ChristiJunior @matty jesus ate and forgave criminals and publicans. jesus said that you should love like he loves. you harp on a single insignificant quotation to argue that paul, who is not divine, who was engaging in a manner of polemic, would say that unbelievers are not worthy of your love.

here's a paul quote I just found.

"And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity." Corinthians 13:13.

do you know what charity meant? it doesnt mean "giving money to the poor". it means "love". the original word is agape, which is the greek word for divine love. if you look at any concordance agape is the same love that God showed for humanity by dying on the cross. paul literally says that the commandment to (divinely) love one another is more important than faith here. https://biblehub.com/greek/26.htm

"Rather, it denotes a holy, self‐giving disposition that originates in God, is displayed perfectly in Jesus Christ, and is implanted in believers by the Holy Spirit. The frequency of the term in the writings of John and Paul underscores its centrality to apostolic theology and ethics."

@James_Dixon @ChristiJunior @Goalkeeper @matty @Frondeur just want to say that I appreciate you engaging with me in a serious manner instead of being actively cruel and just calling me a jew or saying refugees should be murdered. I dont believe this interpretation though, that the jews (besides Judas and others who knew jesus personally) all knew exactly what they were doing and that jesus only referred to the romans. they didnt believe that jesus was God, if they knew He was God they likely wouldnt have been involved in his death. many of the romans were doing what they thought was right and snuffing out the movement of a man who many thought was a dissident king, and many of the jews were doing what they thought was right and snuffing out what they thought was a man who committing a grave sin by claiming to be I AM, God. in the bible unintentional sins are treated much more leniently than intentional sins, and jesus saying "forgive them father" is an extension of that. of course, for judas, he was not only betraying a friend, but committing to death the man who he knew to be God himself, holy and perfectly sinless.

> just want to say that I appreciate you engaging with me in a serious manner instead of being actively cruel and just calling me a jew

Give me time.

> or saying refugees should be murdered.

You are aware that the only "refugees" we should accept are from Mexico and Canada, are you not? That's the international definition of who should accept refugees. The last I saw neither Mexico nor Canada were overflowing with people who had to flee for their lives.

All others have the option of leaving peaceably or, yes, they can be shot.

> I dont believe this interpretation though, that the jews (besides Judas and others who knew jesus personally) all knew exactly what they were doing and that jesus only referred to the romans.

I don't care what you believe. You've already demonstrated your interpretation of Scripture is not to be trusted.

> they didnt believe that jesus was God,

They had no excuse for not believing, especially after he himself told them he was (before Abraham was, I am). They knew exactly what he meant.

> if they knew He was God they likely wouldnt have been involved in his death.

And if they knew but refused to believe they would have done exactly what they did.

> many of the romans were doing what they thought was right

The Roman soldiers were following lawful orders. Pilate was doing what he thought was right and avoiding a revolt that would have killed hundreds or thousands of jews and possibly dozens of Roman soldiers.

Which is why Christ forgave them.

> and snuffing out the movement of a man who many thought was a dissident king,

Pilate knew better. But he didn't want a revolt on his hands, see above.

> This is f and many of the jews were doing what they thought was right and snuffing out what they thought was a man who committing a grave sin by claiming to be I AM, God.

In spite of his meeting every single one of the biblical requirements for meeting that claim. Requirements they knew and knew he had met. They knew. They refused to believe anyway.

> in the bible unintentional sins are treated much more leniently than intentional sins, and jesus saying "forgive them father" is an extension of that. of course, for judas,

His crucifixion was not "unintentional". They carefully planned it out and had the Romans do it because the feared the populace if they killed him themselves.

> he was not only betraying a friend, but committing to death the man who he knew to be God himself, holy and perfectly sinless.

The same arguments you make for the Pharisees could also apply to him. They knew as much as he did. Yet he was not forgiven.

Whether he would have been if he had repented and asked is another matter.