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Wrath

23w

It's weird. We're probably watching the actual collapse of the unipolar world and the Judeo-American empire and I feel nothing but a muted mixture of trepidation and relief.

The monoliths we thought were invincible have exposed themselves as the paper tigers they are. Not just to us, but the whole world.

Short of deploying nuclear ordinances, the Israel/American war on Iran is unwinnable.

Caleb James DeLisle

@cjd@pkteerium.xyz remote

23w

> Short of deploying nuclear ordinances

There's probably going to come a point when they do just that - and it's unlikely to be effective either.

Even nukes aren't effective against a mountain range...

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@DC5FAN@poa.st remote

22w

Yeah but you irradiate something you contaminate it.

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Caleb James DeLisle

@cjd@pkteerium.xyz remote

22w

Right, but you're talking about an area 1/3 the side of the continental US, that will require millions of nukes to contaminate all of it.

And "all of it" is what we're talking about because the Iranians are operating out of mountain encampments - there are some things they can't move, but many things which can.

That said, Chinaman said he thinks Russia will use the threat of vaporizing the top 100 American cities to keep nukes off the table in this conflict...

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Wrath

@Eiswald@poa.st remote

22w

Nuclear (weapon) radiation is not as persistent or as bad as fictional media has portrayed it. Fallout is not going to happen anywhere for any reason. No amount of nuclear radiation will fuck an area (critically) for more than a few decades at most.

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@DC5FAN@poa.st remote

22w

Apparently this Uranium is under a rumble pile and the concern is they excavate it. Dropping a tactical nuke on the site might do the trick.

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Captain Comfy

@Captain_Wet_Beard@poa.st remote

22w

@DC5FAN @Eiswald @cjd If the US does that, the Russians are likely to bombard our navy in response, since we all agreed to not use nukes anymore.

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Wrath

@Eiswald@poa.st remote

22w

Any use of nuclear weapons triggers M.A.D. protocols. There is no win condition once nukes become involved.

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@DC5FAN@poa.st remote

22w

That's why I have a bad feeling. There is no way to win conventionally.

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Wrath

@Eiswald@poa.st remote

22w

That's certainly true for a Chernobyl type meltdown but that also involves a lot more nuclear material than is used in any nuclear weapon by several magnitudes.

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Captain Comfy

@Captain_Wet_Beard@poa.st remote

22w

@Eiswald @DC5FAN @cjd Yeah we wont be living in Fallout, there would just be a lot of destruction, the cancer and birth defect rates would go way up, and fertility would go way down.

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Hoosierborean King

@madcuzbad@nicecrew.digital remote

22w

chernobyl is special because it's literally all the nuclear fuel melted into a pile at hte bottom of the reactor along witht he graphite housing it, that's not how nuke bombs work.

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@DC5FAN@poa.st remote

22w

EMP = Stone Age. Or just nuke the nuclear sites.

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Caleb James DeLisle

@cjd@pkteerium.xyz remote

22w

EMPs are kind of over-played. Same as any electromagnetic radiation: Power drops with the square of distance, so you need a SHITLOAD of power to have an effect at any meaningful distance.

Second issue is most electronics are shielded - particularly anything military - that's why you don't see EMPs being used on missiles or drones. They're not effective against properly shielded electronics.