Egregoros

The more you look at it the worse it gets.

https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/40954

@mhoye if only someone would have warned against having every software hard depending on systemd for questionable functional gains.

I think in retrospect, it should be obvious that it was a power-grab.

And the distros which accepted it are no longer in control of what they release. But the beautiful thing about open source is it's an ecosystem, so some distros can make dumb decisions and die, while others make smart decisions and thrive.

@cjd @mhoye i think the overreach was clear from the start. i used arch and it declaring systemd as init system moved me away from it back in 2012 (or something). maybe i should start betting on shit. then it only got worse with more and more shit getting added, and the argument always was "the future" and "sunken cost".

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@cjd @mhoye imo, you can regard every distribution using systemd as the same thing. debian? suse? fedora? arch? it's the same damn thing by now, backed by billions in VC. it's possible, but increasingly hard to fight against the whole ecosystem. things like elogind are always one bullshit systemd api change away from breaking.

fatpak, snap, wayland, etc. only make it more worse, and are funded by the same corpos.

@cjd @mhoye on top of this, systemds complexity is directly responsible for giant security fuckups like the XZ exploit chain, at least every other year.

@cjd @mhoye people shit on things like sudo, how complex it is and how it has to be replaced with rustslop and in the very next breath say we direly need systemd-asswiped to make things totally more safe.