a couple years ago lunduke documented that gnome redirects money donated to develop GNOME Desktop into left wing charities and untraceable consultant payments. always accuse your enemies of what you're doing.
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@sun I'm like three out of eight-ish sections into a rant blog on why free software sucks now and I can't tell if it's even worth my time to include commentary on Omarchy at my own peril. DHH is one of the perpetual boogeymen of these people, and if they don't want to hear "you're making the computing experience worse," they certainly won't want to hear "the dude's a fucking poseur why are we making semi-weekly seethe blogs to post on lobste.rs about him to give him all the attention he wants?"
@idiot I don't have much commentary on dhh or omarchy other than as far as I can tell he hasn't said much that a giant portion of the country doesn't consider that controversial, but greatly bothers people that want a very strong progressive tech monoculture.
@ageha @idiot @sun people like him who developed systems and frameworks in the 00s era look like idiots because the 90s disconnect between academia and people-who-just-wanted-to-get-things-done was still very hard
this also applies to ruby itself, nowadays it's trivial to be aware of cutting-edge runtime and compiler methods with a bit of work even if you choose not to use them, back then everything was black magic outside academia
this also applies to ruby itself, nowadays it's trivial to be aware of cutting-edge runtime and compiler methods with a bit of work even if you choose not to use them, back then everything was black magic outside academia
@whiteline @idiot @sun
don't remember 00s that way. was still outside uni chatting on fora and searching things, but feeling was "hardware constraints gone but people piling garbage on garbage, so still no performance gains. need to care about these things
the oop craze was strong, but felt that was more eminating outwards from academia rather than reverse, students pushed on java early and adopting python and ruby because of that
don't remember 00s that way. was still outside uni chatting on fora and searching things, but feeling was "hardware constraints gone but people piling garbage on garbage, so still no performance gains. need to care about these things
the oop craze was strong, but felt that was more eminating outwards from academia rather than reverse, students pushed on java early and adopting python and ruby because of that
@ageha @idiot @whiteline Java is shitty bit it was infinitely better for enterprise software than C and C++, that is an objective fact.
@snacks @idiot @whiteline @ageha nobody wants to hear it but fresh university graduates could shit out working software very fast in Java and it wouldn't have the basic security and memory issues that plagued C programs.
@sun @snacks @idiot @whiteline
students i knew definitely couldn't, brittle template generators barfing incomprehensible things and layers of "enterprise ide" preventing people even learning version control
students i knew definitely couldn't, brittle template generators barfing incomprehensible things and layers of "enterprise ide" preventing people even learning version control
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@ageha @snacks @idiot @whiteline I think I'm a bit older than you, none of that existed for several years until after I graduated. We were coding Java on MC68K macintoshes with a couple megabytes of RAM.
@sun @snacks @idiot @whiteline
yeh, this was like 2011. students were encountering java like this and graduating without ever learning anything
in the 00s though was around bunch of teens teaching themselves, and "why does everything have to suck so much, oop garbage pile" was consensus there. go release got them excited
yeh, this was like 2011. students were encountering java like this and graduating without ever learning anything
in the 00s though was around bunch of teens teaching themselves, and "why does everything have to suck so much, oop garbage pile" was consensus there. go release got them excited
@ageha @snacks @idiot @whiteline around 2004 it was all Java EE and SOA and it was insane bloated shit, yeah.
@ageha @idiot @snacks @whiteline I worked on an insane framework called broadleaf once, literally suicide-inducing
@whiteline @ageha @idiot @snacks OOP is bad if you're a good programmer and good if you're a bad programmer.
@sun @idiot @whiteline @ageha it isn't even that bad, stuff like fat structs is very similar, you just need better control of how they land in memory and not go wild with inheritance
@snacks @idiot @whiteline @ageha also contrary to popular opinion it is not even really that slow. It's certainly a lot faster than ruby on rails. It was ass-slow when computers were still double megahertz
@sun @snacks @idiot @whiteline @ageha it is slow as molasses. ruby on rails isn’t even a low bar, it’s absolute rock bottom. luajit is faster than java, especially on non-x86. neither has any hope of keeping up with gcc/g++
@mia @snacks @ageha @whiteline @idiot in absolute terms it is quite slow but I think its way better than Python, which people regularly put up with (but shouldnt)
@sun @snacks @ageha @whiteline @idiot python is insanely slow, yes.
@sun @snacks @idiot @whiteline @ageha (modern C and C++ are also not what they used to be and shitting out working stuff got much easier)
@sun @snacks @ageha @whiteline @idiot honestly i’m a lot more excited for C29 because it’s getting so much good stuff that’ll make code safer and more elegant while the C++ committee prefers to add more reasons for senior devs to slap junior devs on the wrist
@mia @snacks @ageha @whiteline @idiot people really good at cutting edge C++ are telling me that if you're judicious with what you use you can do really great stuff. I just plain don't want to learn Rust tbh.
@sun @snacks @ageha @whiteline @idiot same. which is why i double down on C to the point that i will use GNU-only extensions if they help
@mischievoustomato @mia @idiot @sun @whiteline @ageha learn c# instead and have a borrow checker experience that's not like pulling teeth
@snacks @mischievoustomato @idiot @sun @whiteline @ageha it’s so funny how rust is like some bastard child of webshit and fp languages. you have async on one hand and borrow checking on the other hand, and if you touch both parts it just screams KILL ME IT HURTS TO LIVE
@mia @snacks @sun @whiteline @idiot
un, few big issues just inherent to c, but modern c dealing with nearly all small things i ever had to complain of it, very cool
un, few big issues just inherent to c, but modern c dealing with nearly all small things i ever had to complain of it, very cool
@ageha @snacks @sun @whiteline @idiot my biggest issue with C is libc. the language is pretty solid
@ageha @snacks @sun @whiteline @idiot it’s this unfortunate combination of inflexible (e.g. only one memory allocator) and poorly designed 80s-era crap (everything about locales, signals, i/o primitives…)
which is also unfortunately just how posix works. the syscall interfaces are already shit and there’s not much libc could do to make them less ugly.
@mia @snacks @sun @whiteline @idiot
a c-like with modern namespacing and modules, nice types and type inference (explicitly bypass-able for low level suppose), a few syntax tweaks around e.g. function declaration to make fun pointers less pain, and yeh stdlib that's organised well (like elixir or janestreet ocaml) + nicer threading and io
would be pretty ideal language for me
a c-like with modern namespacing and modules, nice types and type inference (explicitly bypass-able for low level suppose), a few syntax tweaks around e.g. function declaration to make fun pointers less pain, and yeh stdlib that's organised well (like elixir or janestreet ocaml) + nicer threading and io
would be pretty ideal language for me
@ageha @snacks @sun @whiteline @idiot namespacing is coming, less painful function pointers are coming. modules? we have modules at home (pkgconf)
@ageha @snacks @sun @whiteline @idiot use meson and it’s gonna be less painful than any language with modules and package managers
@ageha @idiot @mia @snacks @whiteline incidentally the only C I still do right now is still fiddling with Gameboy Advance, which is just SO MUCH FUN! Currently figuring out how to swap arbitrary functions in and out of fast 32-bit RAM from ROM, which requires either the functions have no absolute addressing, or be compiled a dozen times for different virtual slot locations.
@sun @ageha @idiot @snacks @whiteline GBA hacking is how you learn to love ARM assembly
@sun @ageha @idiot @whiteline old enterprise oop code is ptsd material tho. They used to drink all the oop coolaid
@snacks @idiot @whiteline @ageha yeah I have experience across the entire spectrum of Java code. enterprise is sometimes literally insane. But you can write beautiful elegant Java code. rxJava or like, Vert.x is quite nice to work with.
@whiteline @ageha @idiot @snacks Java code will, like COBOL, likely keep running correctly for 50 or more years, which arguably makes it one of the best languages in existence inn terms of utility, even if it's ugly.