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Yeah, and a space program IIRC.

But my point is that impoverished countries can stay impoverished almost indefinitely. All over Africa there are countries that will never get any better unless if they're formally colonized - and colonialism is a bad word so Europeans prefer to maintain slow-burn civil wars and pretend they have no involvement...

@cjd @Terry @sapphire I can name a funny exception to this. India was cleaner under the caste system before England made them drop it.

To quote myself from last week:

Fun fact: When Britain made India abandon the caste system (officially.....) all the dalits, all the harijans decided they were too good to clean up, even after themselves. And the other high, clean castes? Well they're not going to sully and debase themselves by cleaning.

This is why you get the India Street View Game (try to drop a Street View pin on India and be unable to find a pile of garbage). This is why they have rivers that looks like this. No, I didn't attach the wrong photo, this is a river in India.... Somewhere under all the garbage.

Jeets think they're too good to clean, even after themselves. It's literally their culture.

Alternate take: They weren't colonized hard enough to get over themselves.

@WhitestTemplar @DMA @cjd @NoDoxGregBrady @Terry @brimshae @sapphire It should be concerning to some Brown races that the best argument against their extinction is just "well, it'd be a little sad wouldn't it?".

The fact their continued existing basically hinges on soft headed women and little kids being tucked into bed who'd be sad to hear how their entire race ceased to exist doesn't cause them immense angst and then a drive to be better is damning in itself.