Egregoros

I haven't used C++ in a long time but I've never seen or heard of this style of declaration. Especially since "union" is a reserved word in C.

Normally, functions are declared by stating their return type, followed by the name and the parameter list, plus the function body (the latter two is what makes them functions). There is no special keyword required, and the double arrow notation isn't a thing either. I'm only aware of a single arrow (to access members of a pointer) and the shift operator (>>), but of course C++ does allow you to overload operators and I believe even declare your own.

Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever

The fact that basically everyone who saw this post actually thought that this might be valid c++ even if just for a split second makes me unbelievably happy

𝖁𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖘𝖘𝖚𝖓𝖌𝖘𝖘𝖈𝖍𝖒𝖚𝖙𝖟

Can't fool me, son. I was learning C++ back when you were still shitting your diapers.

Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever

I am so sorry man I didn't know that happened to you

𝖁𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖘𝖘𝖚𝖓𝖌𝖘𝖘𝖈𝖍𝖒𝖚𝖙𝖟

It's okay man, I've gotten over it

Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever

@BroDrillard@nicecrew.digital remote

I watched this today and found it quite enjoyable
You can tell this guy is off the deep end with this shit. Pure hatred in his voice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fGB-hjc2Gc

BroDrillard

I for one have never liked C++.

Don't much care for OOP in general either. Esp not using "patterns" fucking everywhere.
"Object-oriented programming is an exceptionally bad idea which could only have originated in California." - Dijkstra

C is a fine language.

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@BroDrillard@nicecrew.digital remote

OOP is fine unless you overdo it like Java does. The best languages I know all use a hybrid object/functional approach.

BroDrillard

Bundling together data and the code acting on it makes sense in some scenarios.

But there seems to be a generation of devs trained on Java who want to squeeze in some pattern or another everywhere.

Classic Tyler

We had "objects" in C they are called structs and guess what libtard, we can have deep inheritance to via macros or simple inheritance by putting a pointer to another struct in your child object

The tricks aren't even that complicated either!!

Replying to @tyler@nicecrew.digital

Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever

oop and templates and all that garbage is just a complicated cope for saying "I would have to type this out again but I don't want to. Can't the computer write some shitty generic code FOR me?"

But we have LLMs now so it's totally pointless

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Replying to @WandererUber@poa.st

Classic Tyler

No we need to invent a completely new programming language to solve a problem that only exists because I am too stupid to go about solving a problem in a conventional way

Replying to @tyler@nicecrew.digital

Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever

"also I do not want to know what the computer is actually doing, I want something that has absolutely no relationship to any existing or even potentially theoretically possible silicon"

Replying to @WandererUber@poa.st

Classic Tyler

Unless you're writing drivers or doing embedded systems I have never had to even get close to the hardware tbqh.

Replying to @tyler@nicecrew.digital

Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever

you have some concept of a register and a cache and a memory address in your head though, hopefully

Replying to @WandererUber@poa.st

Classic Tyler

Concept yes but unless you are implementing a really performance bottleneck thing it really isn't necessary.

You just need to know:

1. How big is the thing I want to store
2. How long do I need to keep it in memory

And then you can figure out your data types and if you just malloc it or make an arena or whatever.

You don't really need to know about a register for that part unless youre using a debugger, and addressing is so simple I dont even know why you mentioned it

Replying to @tyler@nicecrew.digital

Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever

both of those are related to real silicon

>addressing is so simple I dont even know why you mentioned it
the concept is apparently difficult enough that most popular programming languages abstract it away to "pass by value" or "pass by reference" and then abstract that away too. Because people want goes into function comes out of function

Replying to @WandererUber@poa.st

Classic Tyler

Yes, it makes sense why they want that, as I started with python, but when I just restructure it in my mind "a function is not a machine that you load and unload with a forklift, it is a man in a service truck and flat bed trailer that just needs to be told what to work on and where to put it" it was instantly clear.

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Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever

>forklift-certified programming
holy based

Replying to @tyler@nicecrew.digital

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I mean, even the GNOME niggers, who literally built a whole modern DE in traditional C with manually bolted-on OOP, ended up creating an entirely new language from scratch (plus bindings for Rust, JavavScript, Python, and C#) in order to get more developers because not even trannydevs cared enough to learn all that shite, and they know how cope and dilate like nobody's business.

Replying to @Verfassungsschmutz@nicecrew.digital

Classic Tyler

Which gnome version, 2? I have never really used it. This seems esoteric...................

And perhaps they just didn't do a good job with the architecture. Even QT can be a mess at points and it's the easiest I've ever had using c++ and that's saying something.

Replying to @tyler@nicecrew.digital

𝖁𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖘𝖘𝖚𝖓𝖌𝖘𝖘𝖈𝖍𝖒𝖚𝖙𝖟

IDK what version of GNOME they started this with but the language is called Vala, and it's sort of an OSS knockoff of Swift that wraps the whole GObject business inside a shiny layer of OOP.

https://vala.dev/

Replying to @Verfassungsschmutz@nicecrew.digital

Classic Tyler

Just spent some time reading the website, I really really like the syntax actually it's like the perfect blend of C and Python

Replying to @tyler@nicecrew.digital

Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever