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@7666 @suqdiq you're still just arguing with 4chan losers on the internet. sorry to break it to you, but its probably not making that much more of a difference than just calling them fascists. that you had to write 16 paragraphs to try to justify using a racial slur is hilarious and you sound like you'll be trying to convince us that "meme magick" is real next
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@fisk @suqdiq The alienation of people you find distasteful is why this shit festers. I never condemn someone who interacts with me until it is warranted to do so. And it serves a dual purpose of *being fun* to beat someone over the head with ideology they've never seen before until they capitulate, and justifying to myself in a sort of rubber duck fashion why aggressive juxtaposition doesn't breach my principles.
Anyway they just threw the table over like a child so whatever your opinion, I won.
Anyway they just threw the table over like a child so whatever your opinion, I won.
@swagpuppy420 @suqdiq @fisk Would *you* like to take a stab at reconciling a guy named "Patel" taking away 2A rights and infiltrating Signal in the lense of someone who is vehemently against immigration? Because I sure can't.
@swagpuppy420 @suqdiq @fisk Well yes, that's the root of it, but it would be objectively less interesting if it was just a run of the mill Trump lackey like Stephen Miller. Like, I just expect that behavior of that guy, there's no irony there. The same irony would exist if Kash was Latino and the same juxtaposition would work. It's also why if Kash was black this wouldn't work either.
@swagpuppy420 @suqdiq @fisk Yeah but again the dopes in favor of this don't know that. Congrats that you do! You weren't the audience.
I'm more insulted that you think I'm some spineless liberal.
I'm more insulted that you think I'm some spineless liberal.
@7666 @suqdiq @fisk You are a propaganized (probably white) first world liberal who thinks they are a leftist, so I'm not sure why you are insulted by the truth. For some reason you don't believe in class warfare and instead are still convinced that the American electoral politics will bring liberation, when the American left has obviously been controlled opposition since America's conception. You can't win fascists with hearts and minds when they are trying to win over you with guns and bombs. But you wouldn't understand that, because as a first worlder, your class interest is aligned with fascism and you haven't yet freed your mind to realize this.
@swagpuppy420 @suqdiq @fisk Ooh, theory, it's better than what the child was doing.
I am not a leftist. I may be socially liberal but these days I am pushing hard towards libertarian (minus the pedophilia naturally) because I believe the tyranny of the majority (aka idiots) will always corrupt the Democratic process because of the propagandizing you rightly identified and would prefer to be governed by as little interaction as possible with a corrupt-by-default institution.
Using populist rhetoric to illustrate that in my point of view is entirely justified when used in that fashion. I am pretty sure I called someone on NCD the N word just a few days ago actually under the same principles if you really want to know the strength of my beliefs here, and a lot of this position was informed by what is happening in the US.
I think class warfare is the most accurate term but an audience of populists will never accept traditional Marxist ideology without the same kneejerk reaction that racism has in the opposite direction. And yes! You can't win fascists with hearts, but you can exploit their weaknesses. Again, it was a deliberate no win scenario. Renounce racism or renounce your rights.
I am not a leftist. I may be socially liberal but these days I am pushing hard towards libertarian (minus the pedophilia naturally) because I believe the tyranny of the majority (aka idiots) will always corrupt the Democratic process because of the propagandizing you rightly identified and would prefer to be governed by as little interaction as possible with a corrupt-by-default institution.
Using populist rhetoric to illustrate that in my point of view is entirely justified when used in that fashion. I am pretty sure I called someone on NCD the N word just a few days ago actually under the same principles if you really want to know the strength of my beliefs here, and a lot of this position was informed by what is happening in the US.
I think class warfare is the most accurate term but an audience of populists will never accept traditional Marxist ideology without the same kneejerk reaction that racism has in the opposite direction. And yes! You can't win fascists with hearts, but you can exploit their weaknesses. Again, it was a deliberate no win scenario. Renounce racism or renounce your rights.
@7666 @suqdiq @swagpuppy420 tl;dr: you can be anything you want online so i've chosen to be a fucking idiot
@7666 @suqdiq @swagpuppy420 being the bigger asshole on the internet is not actually difficult or impressive in any way and try as hard as you like you're not going to convince me otherwise. i hope you have that realization one day
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@fisk @suqdiq @swagpuppy420 I don't think being an asshole was my intention, it's probably just my persistence and tone doing it.
If it was, there were way, way faster paths available to reach a conclusion here.
If it was, there were way, way faster paths available to reach a conclusion here.
@swagpuppy420 @suqdiq @fisk I didn't say Indian people, I said Kash Patel.
Maybe there's an argument that normalizing a slur does more damage than to the intended target but that wasn't specifically my intention and it's valid to fault me for that.
Maybe there's an argument that normalizing a slur does more damage than to the intended target but that wasn't specifically my intention and it's valid to fault me for that.
@swagpuppy420 @suqdiq @fisk So the core of the dispute is that the juxtaposition does less damage to the intended audience because they're idiots and more damage to the unintended audience because they're offended via collateral damage.
@swagpuppy420 @suqdiq @fisk Okay, sold. If the audience are just idiots they'll probably miss the point anyway despite my attempt to connect via their favorite mechanisms of populism/racism and all that's left is me going "haha funny" which is only self serving, and that tips the scales away from continuing such endeavors in the future because the costs and benefits do not math out.
Congratulations on staying in it long enough to prove a valid counter, although points off for throwing every boring radical liberal buzzword at me prior. You at least did better than our seething Chaos.social friend who continues sending reports to my mailbox like they'll accomplish anything to this very minute.
Congratulations on staying in it long enough to prove a valid counter, although points off for throwing every boring radical liberal buzzword at me prior. You at least did better than our seething Chaos.social friend who continues sending reports to my mailbox like they'll accomplish anything to this very minute.